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Mr. C's Acting Career wrote:
furry wrote:
rawn wrote:

Would have to disagree with you a bit here. Minorities and impoverished people will have difficulties voting but not because of having an easy way of getting TO the polling station, instead they'd have issues getting IN to the polling station. So many voter ID laws and other barriers of entry put in by the GOP to "combat voter fraud" really in turn disallow a great number of registered democrats to vote because they can't produce the necessary identifying documentation to allow them to do so. This tactic is specifically aimed at this demographic. While this may not be so common in California (where I reside) or other 'wealthy' states, but plenty of the southern border states as well as those in the rust belt will have minorities and those living in poverty feeling this form of legal discrimination.

How is requiring a state issued id legal discrimination? Your state is supposedly the only one in non-compliance with the HAV Act of 02. Very ripe for voter fraud and voting by non citizens. Having a state or gov issued id is a simple responsibility that citizens take on.

For one, it's a solution in search of a problem. Has there been rampant voter fraud in recent years? No? Well, the system is working just fine. Two, it's pretty obvious where the motivations behind the push are grounded. Republicans do better when less people vote. They do very well when less poor people vote. Their tactics are motivated by vote suppression. That's just the reality. Three, the right to vote is protected under the constitution. The constitution has also added amendments over the years relating to voting rights. If the Right is going to be so damn literal about amendments such as the 2nd, well they have to take their lumps with voting rights as well - unless, of course, they want to pass a new amendment, the first of its kind in US history limiting voting rights, one that requires an ID, they can try and push that through Congress and the Oval Office. Simpletons try and say, "well, you need an ID to drive sooooo." Driving isn't a constitutional right. Voting is.

I'll also add that as someone who works with the undocumented in the area of public health, I can assure you that they are totally and completely terrified of putting their names on anything official and anything related to the government. They are not showing up to elections in any meaningful way.

I never said there was rampant voter fraud. Except for the dead in LA...lol. Your controversial state laws just make it very simple to do and is in violation of Federal voting laws. California passed law that allows illegal aliens to obtain DL's. On the back of that your state passed into law automatic voter registration with your DL. They would have to opt out but come on...its a no brainer. Your last comment makes me think you don't care much for voting and immigration laws. Have to ask..have you taken the Oath of Allegiance?

This is certainly a bipartisan issue. Not sure you need to worry about the rino's in your state. The Latino vote is holding strong.

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Homegrove wrote:

Obama's been a horrible disappointment in so many ways (Guantamo, Snowden, not removing the Patriot Act), but man can the guy deliver a speech. Most charismatic US president since Kennedy.

The Patriot Act is a fine example Hannu. Some Americans don't even know about it. Slipped it in quietly and under the context of fear.

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smashdad wrote:
Mr. C's Acting Career wrote:

I had an idea some time ago, that the presidential two-term limit be 10 years; the first term being 6 years, the final being 4. The rational being that the President, learning a brand new job, really only has 2 years to show they're worthy of the position as the final 2 years of the first term is pretty much just campaigning in hope for a second.

All hypothetical obviously but why not just remove the 'two-term-limit'?

So if Obama had wanted to run again - and who's to say whether he would - then he just makes himself available to the Democrats as a candidate and then goes through the same cycle as their other candidates and, if successful, goes forward to the Presidential vote for another four year term - as he did at the end of his first four years.

One thing you Americans should do as-soon-as-fucking-possible though is legislate to limit the time your whole election cycle takes - this Presidential campaign will have collectively been on the road for well over 18 months by the time votes are cast - frankly that's pathetic and there is absolutely no reason why a mature, sophisticated, democracy cannot get the whole sideshow over and done with in one third of that time at the absolute most...

Terms set by the 22 Amendment. I guess if you're doing well then you have a decent chance of another term. But its set to preserve democracy.

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zackster wrote:
erik.b wrote:
jamie wrote:

nope

they were from the DNC

the emails that Trump is on about are the ones that were on her home server.


Aaah right.

assange has said he has another big release due out, and he's more than hinted that this next batch could be from hillary's server. i can't wait.

Me too!

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rawn wrote:
ghostriddenhuffy wrote:

Interesting read, and he has some valid points, but him stating that minorities and people that live in poverty are not going to have an easy way to get the polling station is absolute nonsense.   If anything these people are more pissed more than ever,  and will find a way to get to the polling stations, get a ride, get a taxi, wait in line and basically do whatever it takes to ensure that Donald Trump is not elected.   Now more than ever people are concerned with their future, and a future that does not include Donald Trump.

Would have to disagree with you a bit here. Minorities and impoverished people will have difficulties voting but not because of having an easy way of getting TO the polling station, instead they'd have issues getting IN to the polling station. So many voter ID laws and other barriers of entry put in by the GOP to "combat voter fraud" really in turn disallow a great number of registered democrats to vote because they can't produce the necessary identifying documentation to allow them to do so. This tactic is specifically aimed at this demographic. While this may not be so common in California (where I reside) or other 'wealthy' states, but plenty of the southern border states as well as those in the rust belt will have minorities and those living in poverty feeling this form of legal discrimination.

How is requiring a state issued id legal discrimination? Your state is supposedly the only one in non-compliance with the HAV Act of 02. Very ripe for voter fraud and voting by non citizens. Having a state or gov issued id is a simple responsibility that citizens take on.

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Very relatable  stuff from Mr. C.

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jamie wrote:

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furry wrote:
Dermatron wrote:

I watch BBC world and SKY news uk.

I understand there is good people there but all of the above I quoted exists. Black people are getting shot by your police force, no ones making that up, no ones making 13000 people a year being shot and kiiled up. The poverty isn't being made up either. All of it is fact.  Friends of mine reporting New York the flagship of the country is THE most racist place they've ever been to and say Australia is mild by comparison isnt being made up. And believe me Australia is fucking racist, so that's some statement.

If nothing more the gun law would make me want to never live there. I couldn't possibly bring my kids up in that environment. The health care or lack of is another reason i could never live there, that is reality. The Police shooting people adhoc isnt for me either. So in my eyes its every bit as bad as being reported.
Its no different than South Africa to me and I know loads of people who bang on that its all spin and rubbish being reported about there too. No taaa on both counts im afraid.

Im much happier knowing ive got virtually no chance of getting blown away, enjoying free/heavily subsidised heath care and my kids arent going to get shot by some loon teen at school. And England still enjoys pretty much the same.

First, all of it is not fact.

Lets start with Black people getting shot. What is your perception of this? Is it that blacks are somehow shot more by police than whites? Have you ever researched police involved shooting stats across the US? Any idea how many blacks kill other blacks every year? You might want to.

13000 people killed by guns a year. Have you any idea whats really behind that number? Take a look at suicides, justifiable homicides, accidents etc. and that number suddenly takes on a different meaning.. Good link here....http://heyjackass.com/. Big cities have gang problems. My city alone adds a good chunk to the year end totals.

Last I read that close to 3/4 of a million times a year guns were legally used for self defense...wow right? You should be worried more about your kid drowning in a pool than getting shot at school. Mass shooting are not on the rise and if you really want to avoid being shot here. Don't patronize gun free zones.

Looks like Australia is not that far down the list of impoverished countries when you look at GDP.

Your description of me couldn't be any further from the truth Dermo...lol.

You can pick and choose what stats to show to tell the story...

According to UN crime statistics, you are about 4 times more likely to be murdered in the U.S. compared to the UK or Australia.

CIA statistics also have Australia with a GDP per capita significantly higher than the U.S. (And a lot higher than the UK). They also have Infant mortality rates are about 50% worse int the U.S. Than Australia and UK and life expectancy is slightly worse there too.



But to be fair though, I have been to the states plenty of times and generally, as long as you steer clear of politics, I've not me one American that I haven't liked. They are generally lovely, lovely people who are very welcoming and friendly - especially towards Brits.

Talk about politics and they turn batshit crazy!

I guess then the discussion should be what you consider batshit crazy!

But seriously I would be a great host if you're ever in town Jamie. I can take you to the hood. We can ride dirty (legally of course). Then eat at some of the finest restaurants in the States. Dude, the memories to come.

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Dermatron wrote:

I watch BBC world and SKY news uk.

I understand there is good people there but all of the above I quoted exists. Black people are getting shot by your police force, no ones making that up, no ones making 13000 people a year being shot and kiiled up. The poverty isn't being made up either. All of it is fact.  Friends of mine reporting New York the flagship of the country is THE most racist place they've ever been to and say Australia is mild by comparison isnt being made up. And believe me Australia is fucking racist, so that's some statement.

If nothing more the gun law would make me want to never live there. I couldn't possibly bring my kids up in that environment. The health care or lack of is another reason i could never live there, that is reality. The Police shooting people adhoc isnt for me either. So in my eyes its every bit as bad as being reported.
Its no different than South Africa to me and I know loads of people who bang on that its all spin and rubbish being reported about there too. No taaa on both counts im afraid.

Im much happier knowing ive got virtually no chance of getting blown away, enjoying free/heavily subsidised heath care and my kids arent going to get shot by some loon teen at school. And England still enjoys pretty much the same.

First, all of it is not fact.

Lets start with Black people getting shot. What is your perception of this? Is it that blacks are somehow shot more by police than whites? Have you ever researched police involved shooting stats across the US? Any idea how many blacks kill other blacks every year? You might want to.

13000 people killed by guns a year. Have you any idea whats really behind that number? Take a look at suicides, justifiable homicides, accidents etc. and that number suddenly takes on a different meaning.. Good link here....http://heyjackass.com/. Big cities have gang problems. My city alone adds a good chunk to the year end totals.

Last I read that close to 3/4 of a million times a year guns were legally used for self defense...wow right? You should be worried more about your kid drowning in a pool than getting shot at school. Mass shooting are not on the rise and if you really want to avoid being shot here. Don't patronize gun free zones.

Looks like Australia is not that far down the list of impoverished countries when you look at GDP.

Your description of me couldn't be any further from the truth Dermo...lol.

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ghostriddenhuffy wrote:
Dermatron wrote:

I genuinely cant imagine living or wanting to live in America. I see guns, I see murder, i see police states, I see institutional racism, racism in the police and I see poverty and no health care. Is that the American dream? I fell out with England but i can still see good reasons to want to live there. i cant with America though. What a fucking mess, a horrible fucking ugly mess. I definitely think i live in one of the top 3 countries in the world. Watching American politics and its daily existence on the news makes me surmise its one of the worst places outside a war zone to live on the planet. You really are welcome to it.

It's not that bad Dermo,  don't buy into the bullshit and the spin the media put on it. Certain channels/media outlets you watch are going to be skewed in a certain direction, so I'm not sure which ones you're watching but CNN and FOXNews are belligerently rightwing.   I would never make the argument that there are not massive problems in this country, but I got to say it's a big place and there's still some amazing things to do and see -  not to mention some amazing people you can meet if you spend the time to travel around here.   It's amazing how open your mind can remain if you choose not to watch TV, rather than read about it from several different sources -  just too much sensationalism and slant, it really makes me want to dry heave.


Dermo you need to get off the MSM train and research topics on the internet yourself. You're only going to get some (if any) of the facts and be lead to believe the narrative they present. CNN and Fox should be avoided like the plague. Like ghost said its not that bad.

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Homegrove wrote:

A friend of mine commented on Trump's acceptance speech quite well IMO: "Crime is down, but people FEEL unsafe. It's pretty fucking scary when someone's answer to FACTS is that a FEELING is more important and more of a fact than facts themselves. So making people even more scared by scaremongering plays right into their hand."

Ironically enough that's the same thing Obummer has forced upon schools and businesses in his transgendering of America. A feeling.

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For you Zack...http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/

I encourage other to watch this too. Sorry, should have posted yesterday. Get it in while you can.

Delighted to hear you wont be back then?

Before Shaun Strudders all over this thread smile

It was a good night of music for sure. Some proper tunes!

Well done gentleman

So De Maiziere says “In Germany we must also expect attacks by small groups of radicalised ‘lone-wolf’ attackers”. Now this. Very scary stuff. Is he thinking this is the norm now?

Ever since the New Year sex attacks in Cologne I've been pretty shocked at the stories coming out of Germany. Particularly the rise in fgm cases.

Haven't heard from faible Fabian in some time. Hope you're ok over there man.

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ghostriddenhuffy wrote:
afeworki helen wrote:
ghostriddenhuffy wrote:

You're comparing race relations for the entire United States based on your experiences in Manhattan?   I've never seen so much shit spew out of a mouth that I've never seen -  you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.   If race relations in Europe are used as a measure  of success based on what is going on the United States, than I have no choice but to conclude you are a complete helmet.   And oh yes, most white people are pampered in the United States for sure.   So A few incidents of racially motivated violence, and all of a sudden most white people are pampered?

that's right, I discovered all that about the US and I never lived in the South.

Pretty riveting stuff

Helen,  you should take a road trip around the western half of United States, I think that would change your mind.   The south is always going to be the south and yes racism is prevalent in fact I would say that it is saturated with racism.   I don't have  anything in common with people like that other than the fact that we're from the same country, which I find hard to believe it times.  And people from Louisiana might even tell you that Louisiana's a different country,  because many of the laws still stem from the old days of French rule and Napoleonic Code in addition to the Cajun dialect.   I can assure you however that  most white people in this country are not pampered,  and many are struggling just like their fellow minority neighbors.

Yeah there's plenty of poor white people in the south too. Some of the poorest in the country actually.

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ghostriddenhuffy wrote:
Dan Harwood wrote:
Grant wrote:

Surely that's out of context and is signalling a soaring economy or something?

According to the Republicans the US Economy has tanked since the glory days of G Dubya!

A completely inaccurate quote.   The sub-prime meltdown which happened when Bush was in office,  and Obama had to clean up and coincidentally, which the Republicans blamed on Bill Clinton - yes shitshow,  but for the past eight years the economy has been steadily improving although wages have remained relatively flat.   Obama's record in terms of economic performance has been much better than George Bush.   Bill Clinton of course rode the tech and .com wave to economic success, but it had very little to do with him.   Like most economies in the modern era, the presidency has very little to do with it, it's a beast of its own.   Policies help of course, but it takes years for those policies to have any effect and that's what the American people don't understand. They are too miopic and angry to think straight.  They want immediate results and in this day and age to takes years for any policy to work.


Steadily improving? In what areas? Certainly not national debt, and certainly not household debt, GDP growth. There is a record high of 90 million plus people out of the labor force. Continued rising participant costs of Obamacare. With exchanges failing miserably. Its the Fed that's actually pulling lots of the strings but steadily improving is a loaded description for sure.

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I get the casual racism. Usually the casualness in my experiences has been mostly with people who I've gotten to know better through time. Rare that I hear or see that out in public. Though I did have a white trash man in the Keys call me a white n. I was speechless actually. My friend Jason the brick wall stepped forward and the fella went on his way.

Glad to hear that its almost non-existent by you. We can't even get the black communities to stop calling each other that "word".  Its a disaster really.

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Homegrove wrote:
furry wrote:

In case you were too occupied with the plagiarism drama there were some great speeches given by some courageous people. Killery, Obummer and Michelle have all plagiarized speeches anyway. Nothing new really.

Like Steve King?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 … convention

No... like Sabine Durden, Pat Smith, Mary Ann Mendoza, the Terry family, Sheriff David Clarke, Sen. Jeff Sessions, Ron Johnson etc..

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Dermatron wrote:

. People can point out they are plagiarising all they like.. The fact is no thicko sepo's will give a shite and probably not even read a paper to find out.

Yep, because of the banality of it all.

lol just saw this.

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We just had this thread like last year.