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http://www.zamosccity.pl/files/pict/2011-07-04/zamosc-sprzet-audio-dla-domu-i-studyjny-5DcyNDM4MD_o.jpg

..pulled this out of the attic last week. Still smells of Bulmers and Benson & Hedges.

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..Corporations can now sue National Govts if they put forward democratically agreed upon policies. And that's law. Elections are rigged and leaders chosen in back room deals. And still the voting debate goes on. Sit back and try to enjoy the show is the best you can hope for.

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furry wrote:

Were you for the min wage hike too? I can never see it getting to fifteen dollars. Or needing to.

..maybe I'm picking this up wrong but why wouldn't it need to? Maybe there isn't a need for people working 4 jobs just to get by but there's defo a need for people to be earning a decent living wage. Do you own your own business, Furry?

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..hacked by Doggy, apols Grant. Clearly the guy is deranged.

Wally wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

P.s any slight teasers for the new Red Dead?  smile

No.

wink

Haha. Terrible customer service.

..they should do a remake of Goodfellas where Maury is Wigman and when Nicky Santoro shoots Spider in the foot the bullet ricochets off the wall and breaks all the glasses on the table.

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chuffer wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
chuffer wrote:

But how does anyone know any number? There's been some pretty strong assertions that there were a significant number of ticketless fans but how did they come to know such "facts"?

...safe to assume given the culture at the time, no?

So it's more reasonable to believe speculation based on "the culture at that time" over the findings of Taylor's report?

...I put it to you good sir, is it unreasonable to think this given the eyewitness accounts of Liverpool fans themselves at other games and by those with a connection to football in the 80s? From what I've read in the case now it seems the final decision still leaves plenty of questions. Peace!

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..anyways, cheers for the input fellas *thumbs up*

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shaunstrudwick wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
chuffer wrote:

But how does anyone know any number? There's been some pretty strong assertions that there were a significant number of ticketless fans but how did they come to know such "facts"?

...safe to assume given the culture at the time, no?

easy to blame them as well

..yes, it's very easy

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shaunstrudwick wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
shaunstrudwick wrote:

didn't the police close a road which meant that fans were being directed to Leppings Lane entrance?

..think that was one of the key factors given. Don't see its relevance though unless everyone there that day had a ticket.

there are always going to be people trying to get in without tickets - it wasn't a one off for this event

obvs people without tickets are 'problematic' but police / stewards should have handled the situation better

..yep agree, it's a pity the jury didn't share your viewpoint, Strudders.

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chuffer wrote:
Grant wrote:

How did he know it was a small number?  How did he know any kind of number?  That's laughable.

But how does anyone know any number? There's been some pretty strong assertions that there were a significant number of ticketless fans but how did they come to know such "facts"?

...safe to assume given the culture at the time, no?

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shaunstrudwick wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
chuffer wrote:

I think the key thing there is your use of the words "presumably ticketless".....do you not think that there could be a sudden arrival of a large number of fans WITH tickets? Say, at 2:45 pm, when most fans leave the nearest pubs to head for the ground just in time for kick off (as BedRob pointed out earlier, tended to happen - and still does to some extent)

..agree 100%, Chuffer, but as shown by the events in Athens and on other occasions, ticketless fans either filled legitimate seats beforehand and/or contributed to extra numbers. 23'000 extra in Athens and that was a few years ago. Find it hard to believe that on this day alone everybody had a ticket. As I said before, I'm ignorant but the bigger picture given from the Liverpool side seems highly erroneous.

i am aware there were fans without tickets but 23k seems a bit toppy

how nothing went wrong at Athens is unbelieveable - very poor management of the fans going in and out of the stadium and stadium not up to the required standards either

..the official news report says Pool were given 17'000 tickets and officials explicitly warned those without tickets not to travel. There were roughly 40'000 Liverpool fans in Athens according to the report. Bad stadium planning aside that doesn't give those in charge much wiggle room to manage that many people.

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shaunstrudwick wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

...honest question, Chuffer, what way did it pan out then? It's obvious from video evidence that there was excess fan congestion so I'm confused how they've been taken out of the equation. I might need to study the case more as I feel like I'm missing an important part that most are unable to explain.

didn't the police close a road which meant that fans were being directed to Leppings Lane entrance?

..think that was one of the key factors given. Don't see its relevance though unless everyone there that day had a ticket.

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chuffer wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

"No contingency plans were made for the sudden arrival of a large number of fans." - answer given by the jury. So although they recognise the need for contingency plans the fact that large numbers of presumably ticketless fans arriving somehow didn't contribute?? This is too confusing, I'm out.

I think the key thing there is your use of the words "presumably ticketless".....do you not think that there could be a sudden arrival of a large number of fans WITH tickets? Say, at 2:45 pm, when most fans leave the nearest pubs to head for the ground just in time for kick off (as BedRob pointed out earlier, tended to happen - and still does to some extent)

..agree 100%, Chuffer, but as shown by the events in Athens and on other occasions, ticketless fans either filled legitimate seats beforehand and/or contributed to extra numbers. 23'000 extra in Athens and that was a few years ago. Find it hard to believe that on this day alone everybody had a ticket. As I said before, I'm ignorant but the bigger picture given from the Liverpool side seems highly erroneous.

Edit: I said seats which in the case of Hillsborough is untrue.

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"No contingency plans were made for the sudden arrival of a large number of fans." - answer given by the jury. So although they recognise the need for contingency plans the fact that large numbers of presumably ticketless fans arriving somehow didn't contribute?? This is too confusing, I'm out.

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..true, for reasons best known to them they haven't really closed the debate then. Any man with half a brain can add two and two together.

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chuffer wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

..it would be nice to have some decent input from that side of the fence (no pun intended) in the thread instead of just shutting people down. I'm yet to see the "truth" as it were. And again I'm ignorant here, hope no offence is caused.

don't mean to sound flippant Liquitech but you could try this as a starter:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me … e-35401436

7. Behaviour of the supporters: Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?
Jury's answer: No

...again,  none of that explains how ticketless fans weren't part of the equation. A simple "No" answer from a jury just isn't good enough really. Can you explain why the jurors thought excess crowd congestion didn't contribute to the police making wrong decisions? OJ's jury also said "Not Guilty" but only the daft accept that as the whole truth. You still haven't answered the question really.

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..I hope Stereo provided gluten free sandwiches.

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...any chance you can take your brand of "hilarity" to a different thread, Rob, and leave us geeks alone wink

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..it would be nice to have some decent input from that side of the fence (no pun intended) in the thread instead of just shutting people down. I'm yet to see the "truth" as it were. And again I'm ignorant here, hope no offence is caused.

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ghostriddenhuffy wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

...a DVD of the whole night please smile

That's a great idea!!!

...worked it out that I've been listening to Diggers mixes for 25 years. Something different would be nice!

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..never played Deus Ex, that new one looks good. Cheers for the headsup, Wally.

P.s any slight teasers for the new Red Dead?  smile

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...ahh, some buzz if Kiz was BF

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...honest question, Chuffer, what way did it pan out then? It's obvious from video evidence that there was excess fan congestion so I'm confused how they've been taken out of the equation. I might need to study the case more as I feel like I'm missing an important part that most are unable to explain.