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Henry Rindhoops wrote:

Danny Dyer?

Game changer.

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benson wrote:

If the plane was being followed by a ukrainian jet, which is now being widely reported. It is plausible is it not, that the rebels were trying to shoot the jet down which was 3-5km behind the airliner, but cocked up and shot the MH plane down instead?

I reckon that's exactly what happened and all we're seeing since is a massive campaign to save face from all parties. I know he's no saint but I think Putin is getting the wrong end of the stick on this one..

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loopdokter wrote:

Check out Jeremy Caulfield, Adam Marshall and Mike Shannon if you'd like to get some great underground names in.

If you want to have a successful night you'd probably be better off getting names the punters will recognise, surely?

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Mano Le Tough is the da man in form at the moment and he's Berlin based. He should be within your budget too cool

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smashdad wrote:
Amps wrote:

Interesting read all this gents.

If we assume that both sides are as bad as each other, or that one side is worse than the other, or that both have a right or that only one does... I still feel that the bigger of the two sides needs to bring more to the table and lead the way to peace. If you are bigger, stronger, more resourceful, better connected, better educated, better equipped etc. then the onus is on you to do more than your fair share of the work.

By and large, staunch religious views are seldom overturned - but until such time as either, ideally both (!), side(s) have a genuine, religious and political majority that is invested in social pragmatism, as opposed to ancient doctrines, then the status quo will, unfortunately, continue and more than likely, over time, worsen.

Agree with both points, lads.

Apologies to Yant too for my drunken ranting on Friday, I was out of order!

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dogmanstar888 wrote:

18,000 sounds ridiculous for Hot Since '82.

My mates have him playing next month and he defo isn't anywhere near 18Gs.

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Tuna Fish wrote:

Comparing Bibi /Zionists to Hitler/Mladic doesn't help.
(Where does Assad rank on your war criminal 'badness' chart by the way? -again 170,000 dead so far, 700 over 48 hrs last weekend)

Fair enough dude, when your location says SF it's an easy assumption to make.

I didn't compare Zionists to Hitler, I compared Netanyahu (because of his thirst for killing innocents of a certain race, not because of his fondness for ZyklonB) and already apologised for doing so. I'd compare him to Sharon and Sharon is as bad as any war criminal thats ever walked the good earth. I don't see what Assad has to do with the topic, talking about Netanyahu in such a manner doesn't automatically mean I think Assad is a saint. I've watched Syria closely for since the start of that war and hold him and the Islamists both responsible for war crimes on the civilian population. Where's the media coverage on Syria now? Assad was re-elected last week and the guys the Yanks & the Brits gave the guns to splintered off and became part of ISIS. The difference with Syria is it's a civil war, you know this. Israel is a world superpower murdering civilians, bit of a difference. The death rate is now at 80% civilian with a large percentage of that children, yet somehow there's a view that the people are not being exterminated?! 2 ambulances were attacked today, a medic was killed. It's an ethnic cleansing dressed up as a defensive operation.

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This is for you, Tuna.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/1937462_10153027025983312_7608226951711051531_n.jpg

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Tuna Fish wrote:

Maybe a first step would be to at least recognize the complexities. Don't trust BBC as a source? Watch al jazeera has been great and intelligent in its reporting.

HA! Just saw this, are you for real? I posted a picture above on this page showing the kind of reporting BBC are into. Their reporting on the subject isn't worth talking about.

I follow people like Chris Guinness and Sharif Kouddous, Hugh Naylor, Rania Khalek, Danny Gold. People who are in Gaza and under attack. Real reporters and aid workers on the ground. Jon Snow's reporting on CH4 has been top class too.

It's always enlightening to be schooled by an American on the subject though, your tax dollars fund the operation so it's good to hear from those ITK. lol

Again, no hard feelings fella but I think you've got me wrong on this one. We can agree to disagree, I'm happy with that.

Peace!

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With all due respect Yant, you've already made it abundantly clear that you haven't the foggiest idea what's going on in Gaza.

Do you know anything about Bibi, lads? Anything at all? Using Hitler can be a bit inflammatory so apologies. Netanyahu is up there with Radko Mladic when it comes to war crimes. He's on record stating he would rather the Palestinians were all wiped out and the current policy does everything to back that up.

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Here's a good piece on why certain areas are used to store & fire weapons. I honestly don't expect somebody who has nightmares about terrorists (namely sepos) to understand it..

http://angryarab.blogspot.com.br/2014/0 … d.html?m=1

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Tuna Fish wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
drwho13 wrote:

There have been enough corroborated reports from the UN that suggest Hamas actively stores weapons and militants in schools, hospitals and UN buildings.

Proof of these reports, please? that's a stock answer given by almost everyone who is Pro-Israeli, none of it is ever substantiated, especially in the last 2 weeks. Just yesterday, that was the excuse given by the IDF for the murder of children in a UNRWA safe zone (the school).

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-rel … ets-school
and then..
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-rel … ts-schools

I'm referring to areas that have been attacked with civilians inside. The IDF attack a school because they said Hamas rockets were fired from there. They used this excuse to attack the school, killing a lot of innocent civilians in the process. Here's the point you miss, the school where the rockets were found were VACANT. NO CIVILIANS WERE KILLED.

Try again, see if you can find evidence of weapons stored in al-Aqsa hospital or in the school attack yesterday or in any of the other thousand homes that have been levelled with civilians in them.

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I have a couple of Israeli friends who share my view but anyway, my original gripe was about the coverage and whitewashing brilliantly summed up in the below pic. No hard feelings dude!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtLXSzFIMAAXC78.jpg:large

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Think that's me done with this anyway, apologies if I offended anyone. When people start bringing up 1948 and whose land it really is you know it's time to bail.

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drwho13 wrote:

Israel isn't exterminating Palestinians.

Actually they are, the numbers prove it and the motives behind it given in the Knesset back up the claim.

drwho13 wrote:

There have been enough corroborated reports from the UN that suggest Hamas actively stores weapons and militants in schools, hospitals and UN buildings.

Proof of these reports, please? that's a stock answer given by almost everyone who is Pro-Israeli, none of it is ever substantiated, especially in the last 2 weeks. Just yesterday, that was the excuse given by the IDF for the murder of children in a UNRWA safe zone (the school). They're on record stating no "warnings "were given and that there was zero activity in the school, or in the hospitals for that matter, to back up any of those claims. Unless the UNWRA is working directly with Hamas.

drwho13 wrote:

Of course, none of of us have been in Gaza to see if civilians are being used as human shields, but let's be absolutely clear Hamas is a militant terrorist organization and is recognized as such by the majority of the world.

There are plenty of videos on Twitter and Liveleak of civilians being bombed in the streets as they run from their homes, they're not cowering in corners while Hamas fire out the windows. The word "terrorist" is so fucking inflammatory considering the connotation the US has put on the word since 9/11. They're an organisation fighting for their right to exist as humans and fighting against a tyrannical regime. Of course they want them wiped off the face of the earth. If you're a member of Hamas, chances are you've had family members and friends killed by the IDF. I don't buy into that romantic Yank rhetoric at all about the world against terrorists. It's pathetic considering the largest proponent of state terrorism is the US itself.

drwho13 wrote:

This isn't Israel flexing its muscle to punish Palestinians.

For the love of God are you serious? There's diplomats from countries all over the world sitting in Tel Aviv right now watching the IDF at work. It could easily be described as a massive armaments convention. The Israeli ambassador stood up in DC last week and said "they come to Tel Aviv to see how good we get the job done." The IDF uses Flechette shells and phosphorus was used in 2012. You live in dreamland my friend.

drwho13 wrote:

That argument falls apart when you realize there's a ceasefire on the table that Israel has accepted and Hamas continues to reject. Hamas rejects it because of the blockades. Blockades that were set up to prevent suicide and car bombings, which stopped as soon as the blockades were implemented.

More crap, the ceasefire was brokered between Sisi and Netanyahu without consulting Hamas. Hamas didn't get a chance to reject it. It was used as an excuse to escalate the ground offensive.

On the subject of human shields, the only evidence I've seen of it occurring is when the IDF use young Palestinian boys.

http://palestinechronicle.com/uploads/1240951232human_shield_boy_soldiers.jpg

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smashdad wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:

... for me it's the whitewash from Cameron, Obama etc thats sickening.  There's no other conflict on the planet right now that Western media distorts as much.

Jewish money and the influence it brings have been an integral part of the UK & US for far longer than the State of Israel has existed - rightly or wrongly 'the West' always sides with Israel although Netanyahu currently gives the impression he's taking that support for granted...

All that goes without saying but it feels different this time given the amount of evidence for war crimes and the stonewalling from Cameron et al when questioned on it.

I wish ill health on David Cameron and any other robot who argues for the IDF. Kick racism out of football but let it thrive in Israel.

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Have you seen the way they dress on hot humid days?

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I imagine the likes of Art Dept and the DC10 djs are absolutely milking it. All they spend their money on though is shit techno vests.

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Mr Boring wrote:

Strong whiff of Anti-Semitism/Spurs in this thread.

Funny you should mention that, I've a mate who stands with Israel against the "terrorists", he's a Spurs fan.

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Israel are occupying lands illegally, have broken several UN laws on settling and continue to pound an innocent civilian population, then yes I put all the blame on them. I don't condone Hamas when they try and kill innocent Israelis but come on, what are we really arguing about here, whose to blame? Israel has a right to defend itself but those who it oppresses don't?

I previously mentioned that the whitewash was the issue I had a problem with and the complicity in war crimes over there by the US & British govts, I'm not using this opp to bash Israel although it's very hard not to.

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Uncle Bazza wrote:

I was led to believe that the heady days of mass money were over. I also heard the likes of Sasha would now do a set for 6k. Is that wide of the mark then? Im guessing if Gerber is on that the like of Sasha and Digweed would be on more? Or doesnt it work like that?

I reckon Sasha & John have pretty much made it over the years and can pick & choose gigs and fees that suit. My mates booked John a couple of years ago and they got a "discount" shall we say. The likes of Gerber and Troxler seem to be riding the wave of the current popularity of the scene and are fast blurring the lines between underground and mainstream IMO.

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Yant wrote:

You could make the same argument for the other side couldn't you mate.  Innocent people/kids etc being killed necessarily on both sides.

Put simply, no you couldn't say the same....2 people have died from home made rockets fired from Gaza into Israel, over 800 have now died from high tech weaponry fired from Apache helicopters, F-16s, Navy gunboats and drone strikes by the IDF.

Gaza is an open air prison under constant bombardment, it only really makes waves when large numbers get killed but there are kids shot dead close to checkpoints and the cage wall almost daily.  Not trying to have an argument mate but balancing the 2 sides as even, especially given the number of innocent children murdered in Gaza, just points to the fact you haven't really got the foggiest idea what's going on out there.

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Correct, Yant. What could be more complicated than 4 kids playing football on a beach and receiving missiles from F-16s. Such a complicated part of the war that one....aren't you the one who gets his daily fix of explosions from Spiderman movies?

ooof

jamie wrote:
liquitech1 wrote:
simeon79 wrote:

speaking about Cream, does anyone remember the Stress/Zeitgeist Tour circa 1996/97....cracking line up Diggers/Van M/Fortier and live P.A from Rabbit In The Moon.

That Zeitgeist DMC release from around then was epic iirc

Nice one. Just looked that up and managed to ID a track from an old mixtape I had done years agao that had been bugging me for ages (Freefall - Shrug).

Some great tracks on that release.

Yeah Jamie, class release. Need to dig it out again, 'Etana's Flight' by Sunday Club was great too.