I think they do great stuff. That darker sound of Modeselektor combined with the more emotive style of Apparat gives great results.

If it's anything like New Emissions of Light and Sound count me in!

chromosome_junction wrote:
Glen wrote:

It sounds ace!

it sure does.....the sound reminds me of a track i think sasha used as an intro to a mix a couple of years back, it had lyrics along the lines of "no need to make a sound........your feet won't touch the ground....", it was like a slow sort of lazy-sounding ambient track....

what song is that? Driving me fuckin bonkers. Help!

Yeh, sounds right up Charlie May's Straße. Kind of like his track Night Light.



By the way, owning U-he's Zebra and Spectrasonics Omnisphere as my own 2 synths (got rid of my Virus some time ago and still lots of sonic ground to cover with these two) I could not resist a recent sale on the Synapse Audio Dune2. Sounds absolutely great! And offers me something in sonic character that the other two don't quite give me (due to it's own unique unison engine).

A Little Chuggin Pad Example I Made

It sounds ace!

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Had to Google her. Lol

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Henry, coa... Looks like proper filth. Must check out.

Never been broadcasted in the Netherlands. Apparently been on ITV from 1983 - 1993Only just bloody found out about it. Any of you mongs been on it?

Here's the very first one:

Is it Sean Comer in this one perhaps? Who's the hottie bird? 

Happy new year everybody and may it be a good time for all involved.

Happy Christmas everyone!

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For those of you on Ableton, this might be interesting to have a peek at. In that web store, Barry also sells Ableton Live sets for his tracks. Gives you a peek into how he layers and arranges his sounds.

It's a shame that it has been such a long time since his last release.

EDIT: whoops, forgot the link: http://circularsoundrecordings.com/music_store/

Once Mike Monday has your e-mail it can get a bit spammy at times, but the core of what he is trying to teach is helpful for anyone who has been stuck before. Like 303 said, it is very much a shared experience and once you have been there and look towards others (or the internet) for help you come to learn that it is very, very common indeed (if not universal).

With reference to the arranging, here's a little Mike Monday tip that takes from learning from other people's arrangements:

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erik.b wrote:

ideally i'd like to be able to do both easily. I get to the point where i re do percs over and over and over as i'm not confident that what i've done works in the context of the rest of the track

I guess you tend to get chords, bassline and melodic elements down first?

It can ofcourse go both ways. Sometimes you got tracks where the melodic elements are the main characters of a track and in some tracks the drums play the leading part. If you figure out first what the leading elements will be or, what the focus will be, then you can start production on those elements first.

Btw.. referring to a previous post; There is so much to music production that the 'going solo' road can be daunting as you will be 'the artist' 'the songwriter' 'the sounddesigner' 'the mix engineer' etc. all at once. Where as in past times (before the electronic/digital revolution) these often used to be separate disciplines and people mastered them by spending years honing their craft.

When you go it alone you can sometimes focus one one of those aspects too much and by doing so the other aspects will start to fall behind.

For example; You've written and produced your first few tracks, then you start to think: "I wish my mixing was better" You decide to read up on the subject and next thing you know you went down the rabbit hole and come out the other end a year later knowing everything and anything on EQ, Compression, FX, Creative mixing techniques etc. etc. but you haven't finished one single complete song. Your whole work folder is filled with loops that you worked on, trying out that new knowledge and trying to turn it into a skill. Doing so left the skill of songwriting and finishing songs behind.

This happened to me twice; once with wanting to learn music theory and basic piano playing and the other with learning sound design and sound engineering. Three years went by like that.

This might seem obvious now, but if I could go back knowing what I know now I would warn myself that the whole process should always be incorporated as a whole. By that I mean learning and incorporating any new things is fine (and highly recommended) but it should always be paired with the process of writing and finishing tunes. The finishing tunes should never-ever stop, no matter how crappy some of them might be (because there will be plenty). Because if you are not finishing songs for a long time, guess what? You get very bad at finishing songs.

Starting out now I would focus on that the most; approach it as a whole, incorporate bit by bit while you keep working on full songs and finishing them.

I realise everybody is different and some might go through another process and might have another approach that works best for them. I can get a bit neurotic at times and have to remind myself of the 'approach it as a whole-concept' to keep myself from jumping yet into another rabbit hole by focussing on one aspect of music making to much.

Cool. Do you want to be able to play percussion or is it programming the percussion in an arrangement you struggle with?

erik.b wrote:

arrangement is the easiest thing for me.  I can read and write music and can play (havent for a few years tho) a couple of instruments

Are there things you struggle with Erik? Also what instruments do you play? (very cool btw) I can find my way on keys and a guitar, but I would definitely not call myself a player. But I can find my way around enough to work out idea's and progressions.

klooptheloop wrote:

What I did in the past was use a 'ghost track', find a song that you like that best suits what you want to do, put it on a track in your arrangement and copy the layout/foundation from start to finish.

Obviously you can change or alter to your own taste but it helped me when was started out smile

Gav.

That's a good tip.

Some people swear by collaboration to get you learning faster. With the democratization of music making technology it doesn't take much to get a person started and with all the recourses available, someone who's starting out now will often go solo. It offers freedom, but the downside is when you get stuck, you get proper bloody stuck. And you can get into nasty habits that slows down your progress and won't have anyone to bounce idea's off of. All these things can sometimes grind you to a halt.

I imagine when you start out with a mate you'll have to be able to communicate your idea's to the other person and this can help solidify things more quickly. Also bouncing idea's around will prob go faster, you tend to push each other forward (assuming that you are both starting out from the sam-ish level and background).

If I don't get an arrangement going asap when I start a project then it often just remains a loop. Working with loop on in Ableton does not fare well for me as there is only a finite number of listens you can give any piece of music you are working on until you lose all perspective.

Also nothing wrong with trying to copy tracks you like from artist you like for the sake of practice. Don't pay to much attention of the nay sayers that tell you it's blaspheme. Nothing is ever truly original. Everything we know all started from something that existed previously and was inspired by work of others. And it's good for getting the hang of it when you are struggling with things such as songwriting.

MattBlack wrote:

An interesting video on how Isis emerged

"But before we spend one more Dollar and befor one more American life is lost.."

Hold on while I grab my projectile vomiting strap-on head bucket..

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smashdad wrote:

Everything Is A Remix...

Cheers Smash. That was a nice reminder: Nothing is ever truly original (for obvious reasons), but more importantly: The copyright and patent laws that were originally put in place to create incentives for creators to push forward and build upon existing idea's and thus stimulate progress, are now fucking everyone but the big companies that can afford massive legislation to uphold the impossible idea of intellectual property.

It goes against the very nature of the process of creation, which is based around the concept of copying, transforming and then combining.

Squidgy wrote:
Glen wrote:

It's like that guitar shredding business... It's all about who can play the most notes in the shortest time etc. but where is the fucking musicality?

Don't want to turn this into a metal thread, but I saw that people were rating Mustaine over Hammett (in a big way too). Surely this is speed over musicality too?

They both have pretty much the same sound and speed to me... But I am no metal aficionado..

It's like that guitar shredding business... It's all about who can play the most notes in the shortest time etc. but where is the fucking musicality?

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Wally wrote:

lifeless plodders

I thought this was the 'in' genre, the 'nu-flavour' of recent years: Lifeless Plodders.