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(33,144 replies, posted in General Bedrock Discussion)

I'm not just a pretty face...

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chuffer wrote:
smashdad wrote:

British, sound. ..... by the time GU arrived a couple of years later 'prog' was broadened out to include trance elements - then there was confusion for a while from '99 to '02 when the SashWeed sound went very dark and increasingly tedious and 'prog' was dying on its arse

actually sorry to interject here but I feel you've glossed over quite a a significant era here.......if anything I think this is the time that defined the "prog" DJ......sasha and digweed were big names, in the UK and abroad...and on the coat-tails were the likes of Paul Oakenfold, Nick Warren and Dave Seaman. we were selling house/trance music to the world

I take the point that "prog" means different thing to different folk of different eras but actually I think 99-02 was a really significant era for dance music (and not just because that's when I got into it).....this was the era when clubland went mental......(e.g. stuff like Gatecrasher became a major commercial force with crappy adverts on TV) etc......but Renaissance and Global Unergrounf became major brands/labels .......obviously for some of you it was cringe-worthy but it as neverless a significant chapter in prog history

Interjecting?!  Hardly - I was merely offering an opinionated, hypothetical and very potted view of something that arguably doesn't exist anyway!  What I wrote could never be agreeable to everybody - and, like you said, it's different for all of us - I certainly didn't 'gloss over' anything dismissively or for the sake of it - but seeing as you specifically reference Gatecrasher, I would suggest their BOOM years were well before the '99-'02 period I randomly referenced - more like '95-'99 - and Cream, Renaissance and (to a lesser extent) GU had all become 'major brands/labels' many years before '99...

You're right though - 'PROG' is largely subjective - Digweed kicked Bedrock/Heaven/Brighton off on a monthly basis in late '98 when he and Sasha were coming to their end at Twilo - I stand by what I said - I don't deny the years between '99 to '02 were significant, but from a 'PROG' angle the more varied sound that the Prog DJs had played prior to that was disappearing and pretty much gone - the music played by 'Prog DJs' in 2003 was massively different to what they'd been playing 1998 - it had become much more homogeneous and much less varied - listen to the change from GU003/04 in '97 through to GU019 in 2001 or, even more tellingly, Digweed's Renaissance in '95 (to my mind the definitive 'PROG' mix) and Digweed's Bedrock in '99 - musical chalk and cheese...

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zackster wrote:

"Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached." antonin scolia

Fuck off - surely he never said that - really!?

No...

Really?!

He actually did say that didn't he.

Fuck's sake...

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Appointed by Reagan eh? 

Fucking hell, I can see how that is something worth noting...

steelydan wrote:
smashdad wrote:
steelydan wrote:

That Tetra track is mint (what's the sample from??). Whole EP is great Tbf.

Also gave rise to this remix...

... no fucking clue on the sample though, sorry.

“Tetra” sounds like it contains a sample of Mary J Blige's “Let's Get it Percolatin'”.


Yeah, could very well be...

... great shout

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chuffer wrote:
smashdad wrote:

Any chance of a chuggy rework chuffer...?

Ha

I think, in light of your comments in the prog thread perhaps I should change the genre reference! I could do a tech-house rework that may sound almost identical  (albeit EQ tweaked in the kick / low f's region a la matt black's comments..)

Mate, I'd ignore any/all shit that I write anywhere to be honest - it's all made up...

For what it's worth, I rather enjoyed your track - twice in fact.  Good stuff mate - you should do more of it.

And now, having actually listened I'd still say, drop the bpm 6+, 'squelch' the bassline into something borderline acidic and bingo - chuggy anthem!
wink

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shaunstrudwick wrote:

Vardy > Alli

Vardy 3
Alli 1*

* - saving Yant the bother of posting

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Boring wrote:

I think tonight will finally be the night for GNev2.

Back on track to replace Hodgson...

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Beijing Dave wrote:
smashdad wrote:

Imagine dancing with abandon in front of a big speaker rig for six hours listening to the best 60 upfront tunes a DJ could find from a whole range of 'genres' - rather than standing for six hours listening to what amounts to not much more than six different remixes of ten tunes...

I'm with you on that, totally. My favourite 'big name' DJs have always been people like Tenaglia (unfortunately only seen once), Burridge and Garnier because they all did that.

Yeah, ok.  Seems we agree...  *gasps*

Lots of people claim that Leftfield's 'Not Forgotten' was the first progressive house record, others say 'Song Of Life' - point is it's completely irrelevant
- the same people can't name 'the second progressive house record'.  Or the third.  Or the best ten.  There's no such thing.

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Beijing Dave wrote:
smashdad wrote:

Have the tools/technology led to smoother sets today - YES.  Should that mean those sets are risk-free - NO.  The very opposite in fact - because the technology makes the mixing so (relatively) fucking easy then 'risks' should be being taken on the programming...

That's what I thought. It seems counterintuitive that a lot of mixes I listen to nowadays seem bland given the tools available.

Yeah, I think the word could be homogeneous.

Imagine dancing with abandon in front of a big speaker rig for six hours listening to the best 60 upfront tunes a DJ could find from a whole range of 'genres' - rather than standing for six hours listening to what amounts to not much more than six different remixes of ten tunes...

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chuffer wrote:

My interpretation was that "prog" was about pushing things forward....it's a branch of house that isn't "static" in the same vein as some other branches of house. Instead, it evolves by influence of other elements that feed into it, no doubt stuff that is popular at that time.

Ok.  That's a perfectly valid view.

So what's the most recent 'prog' track you've heard?

(Genuine question - I'm aware that could be read confrontationally but it's a genuine question...)

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Beijing Dave wrote:

One thing occurred to me when I listen back to old Essential Mixes though... the mixing was choppy as fuck.

I don't know how much my experience allows me to agree with this - I never listened to huge amounts of Essential Mixes - but if you're mixing a five minute breakbeat tune into a five minute Chicago house tune then chances are the mix will need to be choppier than if you were mixing one nine minute B-Pitch track into another nine minute b-Pitch track...

Beijing Dave wrote:

Is it that people who simply always had a great box full of records (often stuff that no-one else could get - see Oakenfold and Warren, who even at their peaks were never great mixers) would get gigs (and be appreciated) whereas now someone whose mixing is ropey won't get anywhere near a DJ booth?

Or do you think the tools available have simply led to these smooth, chug-along but often utimately risk-free sets we get now?

Have the tools/technology led to smoother sets today - YES.  Should that mean those sets are risk-free - NO.  The very opposite in fact - because the technology makes the mixing so (relatively) fucking easy then 'risks' should be being taken on the programming...

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chuffer wrote:

Obviously no discernible dj would play the tunes that beatport deems as "prog"...

Hehehe - steady on old boy - Beatport can classify anything as pretty much fucking anything - I've seem the same tune on Beatport appear on three different releases described as 'electronica', 'progressive house' and 'nu-disco'...

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chuffer wrote:
smashdad wrote:
MattBlack wrote:

Im guessing Diggers doesn't consider any of what he plays now prog, he always calls it techno but going on your interpretation of what prog is i would say that most of the stuff he plays could fit into that description

He's welcome to correct me/us - but yeah, I'd agree - Digweed doesn't play (Beatport) 'Prog' nor has he for years and years.

If however 'prog' is an approach to DJing (as I postulate that it always was and should be), then I'm not sure I know of any 'prog' DJs - certainly none that I can think of that play the breadth of music that SashWeed were playing when the phrase was initially coined anyway.

Therefore PROG is not only dead but thoroughly decomposed and rancid - 'cept for disparate burning candles kept alight for it on various far-flung reaches of the www.

(Still delighted for anybody else to answer my question though)

Obviously no discernible dj would play the tunes that beatport deems as "prog"....but it sounds, from your comments, as though you're suggesting john and his peers are no longer progressive/forward thinking in their approach, what is it about their sound that makes you feel that?

Simply that when the term was adopted it was applied to DJs who were playing a far broader range of music within any given set than has existed for years, let alone today...

I think Digweed is a phenomenal DJ and his (increasingly less disparate over the years) taste in music is largely to my taste - but whilst he and his peers have always been, and remain, at the cutting edge of their respective sounds my point is that their respective sounds are far more concentrated now than they were.  Back when 'progressive house' was initially written about it encompassed a range of sounds mixed together - all those sounds still pretty much exist - vocal house, piano house, tribal/tech/techno/etc - you just never hear a DJ set where they're all mixed up together like they used to be...

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Beijing Dave wrote:
smashdad wrote:

then I'm not sure I know of any 'prog' DJs - certainly none that I can think of that play the breadth of music that SashWeed were playing when the phrase was initially coined anyway.

I reckon Oakenfold.

He was playing US house/garage, trance, breakbeat and even drum n bass in any one set circa '95.

The massive monkey-headed twat that he is.

Yeah, that was then - my suggestion was based in the present...

It's more than likely there's all sorts of crazy, genre-blurring, epoch-making, DJing going on out there - but I'm absolutely certain I don't know who those DJs are - the ones that are playing the equivalent of what you mention above - US house/garage, trance, breakbeat & d'n'b - in one 80 minute (or longer!) set...

Big_Fella wrote:

You okay, babes?

Yes thank you Paul - I'm fine - how are you?

*another banality alert*

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MattBlack wrote:

Im guessing Diggers doesn't consider any of what he plays now prog, he always calls it techno but going on your interpretation of what prog is i would say that most of the stuff he plays could fit into that description

He's welcome to correct me/us - but yeah, I'd agree - Digweed doesn't play (Beatport) 'Prog' nor has he for years and years.

If however 'prog' is an approach to DJing (as I postulate that it always was and should be), then I'm not sure I know of any 'prog' DJs - certainly none that I can think of that play the breadth of music that SashWeed were playing when the phrase was initially coined anyway.

Therefore PROG is not only dead but thoroughly decomposed and rancid - 'cept for disparate burning candles kept alight for it on various far-flung reaches of the www.

(Still delighted for anybody else to answer my question though)

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Hop_Head wrote:

Is Habersham still in "the scene"?

He's still involved with music yes, if that's what you meant.

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Forum mods...

In an earlier incarnation this thread was the 'Things That Can Just Fuck Off' thread and also got to 20+ pages - but for no really good reason it got deleted and this admirable replacement slipped almost immediately into the created void and carried on as if the daft, interfering, bastards had never actually, daftly, interfered...

Forum mods - GERTCHA...

wink

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smashdad wrote:

Anybody played Assassin's Creed Syndicate and able to compare it to Black Flag?

^^  Last shout on the subject then I'll shut up...

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Any chance of a chuggy rework chuffer...?

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Big_Fella wrote:

I do like how Loopy has made the thread his, again.

Nature abhors a vacuum...

James - Moving On

To be honest this is 90% about the video - which I think is just a beautiful thing - and 8% about my surprise that James are still going as a band and 2% for the tune - although I'm a couple of plays into it and...

*edit*

I'd completely forgotten James - twenty-fucking-six-years ago...

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Big_Fella wrote:

It takes about five seconds to click and find out who they are.

Knock us all up a list then 'click-wallah'...