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guns, and police brutality are our everyday problems.

In egypt, in the last 7 days 7,000 died, as i see now, USA just heading the egyptian army, who are making the putsch against Mursi.

TTTT, muslim brotherhood have just killed christian priests, and burned up churches. Maybe this was done by agent provocateurs, just to the public opinion be permissive against brutality.

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Should have sent in Gazza with a fishing rod,lager and some chicken.That would have calmed everybody down.

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As long as wasn't poor old Sheryl causing the commotion.

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zackster wrote:
starcreeper wrote:

Once the tazer goes in, the suspect goes down. 100% of the time.

I should correct my sentence then. Shooting somebody with a tazer will guarantee you 100% success, unless the suspect is a 300 pound mandingo who will need a double squeeze on the trigger.

Dont see how the video disproves my point, Zack. It still dropped him and if your that big you can withstand the first zap then youre not fast enough to charge an officer 20 feet away with a knife pulled. Besides cops normally taze unarmed suspects only, so its a moot point. If some cunt has a knife or goes anywhere near his pocket, hes getting shot dead. As Loopys thoroughly entertaining video showed.

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Diminished Responsibility wrote:
Dermo wrote:

loopy clearly said that it showed a kid getting pumped full off bullets? I only saw a load of pigs firing into a bus.
Nice try to big it up though loops. Maybe get your 'copper mate' to do us a proper vid and not something youve tried to sensationalise.

Seriously Loopy. The video had fuck all action.

Lol. Rhouses is clearly disappointed.

Probably into snuff porn too.

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starcreeper wrote:

Dont see how the video disproves my point, Zack. It still dropped him

lol, the cops tackled him after the tazer proved ineffective. that's what dropped him. but i apologize for my oneupsmanship; i saw an excuse to post that vid and jumped at the chance.

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Certainly looks like the tazar had zero effect on him. Probably take a few minutes to register.

Part of the problem

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Mr Boring wrote:
Diminished Responsibility wrote:
Dermo wrote:

loopy clearly said that it showed a kid getting pumped full off bullets? I only saw a load of pigs firing into a bus.
Nice try to big it up though loops. Maybe get your 'copper mate' to do us a proper vid and not something youve tried to sensationalise.

Seriously Loopy. The video had fuck all action.

Lol. Rhouses is clearly disappointed.

Probably into snuff porn too.

Emotionally prepped myself to see some hardcore shit and all I got was a bunch of pigs in shorts riding in on their bicycles.

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starcreeper wrote:
zackster wrote:
starcreeper wrote:

Once the tazer goes in, the suspect goes down. 100% of the time.

I should correct my sentence then. Shooting somebody with a tazer will guarantee you 100% success, unless the suspect is a 300 pound mandingo who will need a double squeeze on the trigger.
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From the Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS):

DPS records show that of the 157 incidents where probes were fired  there have been 28 incidents since 2007 when Taser probes missed, and 20 events where the probes were disconnected from clothing.


With regard to suspect resistance, field data analyzed by TASER International
(2006) and internal evaluations by police agencies (Seattle Police Department, 2004) place the
effectiveness rate of the TASER somewhere between 80% and 94%.




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fast forward to the end as they edit a lot in the news report. this brazilian didnt even drop his cigarette and stabbed a cop

and there is an austin pd training video, i cant access youchoob at work but i will post it after, it is called "taser does not stop police lieutenant" skip the kumbayah stuff at the beginning and go to 2:00 in, they do it twice. first time one of the prongs catches in the pocket of his denims.  they reset and do it again and second time he gets it square in the chest and still goes on and whacks the taser holder with a rubber truncheon. end of the video they show him and the injury marks were the prongs clearly dug into his chest.

Any girl that can't distinguish between her grandmother and a wolf is either as dense as teak or comes from a really ugly family

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Thanks Snowstorm, you managed to disprove my flippant use of 100% but not much fucking else.

The video you posted shows a guy surprising cops from 2 fuckin feet away and managed to cut one of them, what else do you expect from that distance?

What you need, is a video that shows a guy running at a cop, with a knife, from 21 feet away and still managing to cut or knife his/her intended target. Police training videos wont do, has to be a real life situation, which is what Im talking about. That way you'll be able to convince me about something youre trying to convince me about!?!?

Maybe I should have said they work 80-94% of the time, all other times, the cops are incompetent and/or should have used a gun.

Snowstorm wrote:

the 15 foot rule, which is actually 21 foot aka the tueller drill,  is the distance at which someone could with a knife could run at and  stab an officer before the officer could unholster his/her gun and get off a shot, estimated at between 1.7 and 2.6 seconds.  this included the time to realize that "hey, some armed fucko is running at me with a knife".

Stuff like this from the Operational Handbook is a waste of time too. The guidelines are just that, guidelines. Doesnt it mention in the instructions for new kitchen appliances that getting them wet might not be good thing?

Snowstorm wrote:

and there is an austin pd training video, i cant access youchoob at work but i will post it after, it is called "taser does not stop police lieutenant" skip the kumbayah stuff at the beginning and go to 2:00 in, they do it twice. first time one of the prongs catches in the pocket of his denims.  they reset and do it again and second time he gets it square in the chest and still goes on and whacks the taser holder with a rubber truncheon. end of the video they show him and the injury marks were the prongs clearly dug into his chest.

Dont bother, saw it already, once again its just a training video and not a real life situation. The tazer holder stands there to prove a point. In real life he would either backed away himself, or his partner would have shot the guy dead.

Id be interested to see if you can find me evidence of a police officer, coming across an armed assailant who is around 21 feet away and acting threatening, who chooses to use his tazer rather than his firearm. You wont, but I seem to have got you excited so I hope you can.

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surprised them from 2 feet away? wtf, you wanted him to stand there and make an announcement that he was going to come along with a 1-2-3- ready...go?

they knocked on his door, he had to come through two doorways, they tasered him through the first one, he came around the corner through the second door and still stabbed one of the officers and they had to wrestle him to the ground.

the taser was ineffective at stopping him, period. it took the physical force of the the officers to subdue him.

so, the use of a taser on a charging suspect within 21 feet was ineffective.

the tueller rule is within 21 feet,  a suspect COULD cover ground within that distance and that the taser is not always effective, it has never been "the subject must go back to 21 ft, mark off the distance for the cameras and let the cops know his/her intentions" it is about minimum safe distance in the case of a surprise.

that video has an armed subject. he is within 21 feet. he stabs an officer who is backing away even though he has been tasered.

the austin cop, training video or not showed that the subject was not incapacitated by a taser and reached the subject, who was also in a training demo and not in a heightened or panic situation that causes most people, even officers, to freeze.

so i hate to break it to you vicky but i did show a video, where someone COULD as was my assertion and DID charge at a cop from within 21 feet and did stab the police officer.

you are hardly exciting but you are most definitely tiresome.

end of.

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snowstorm wrote:

surprised them from 2 feet away? wtf, you wanted him to stand there and make an announcement that he was going to come along with a 1-2-3- ready...go?

they knocked on his door, he had to come through two doorways, they tasered him through the first one, he came around the corner through the second door and still stabbed one of the officers and they had to wrestle him to the ground.

Clearly, youre over analysing this my dear. Are you sure youre not a septic at heart? that kind of drama is standard.

We could argue all day as to why the cops were holding tazers and not pistols couldnt we. Why is the 'surprised them from 2 feet away' part so hard for you to understand? Its clear that this is what happened. If they knew he was going to come out the door armed with a knife maybe they would have held more appropriate weapons to avoid injury. Youre not that thick are you?

Besides, if a guy is within 21 feet and is carrying a weapon and isnt hiding behind a door, hes going to be shot with a gun. End of.

I could post up 100 videos of suspects of all shapes and sizes moving towards cops in a threatening fashion and getting take out with tazers in one go. Like I said, in the very rare case that they dont work on first shot, they go down with the second. Now piss off back to that rock from whence you came.

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Besides, if a guy is within 21 feet and is carrying a weapon and isnt hiding behind a door, hes going to be shot with a gun. End of.


funny as i said this on the previous page:


Using a taser at this distance on a charging subject is considered a serious mistake as it will probably not incapacitate the suspect in time.

if the taser group is admitting 80 - 86 percent effectiveness, that is close to one of five where it doesnt work and i can post an equal number of videos and link articles on how tasers failed and the police were force to use a gun after. goes back to the orginal comment on assessment, distance and probability.

i'll go back to my rock after you return to yours. ladies first.

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starcreeper wrote:

Where do you get this shit from? Once the tazer goes in, the suspect goes down. 100% of the time. Even suspects who have just eaten a plate of PCP.

A highly trained police officer, who most likely has done a tour of Iraq or Afghanistan, could put an assailant down with a chest shot, headshot, or bullet to the gut, within this range.

You and your sister Furry have been watching too much Discovery Channel.

Err, no. 

You've been watching too much Hollywood bullshit and probably think they'll be doing it in slow motion shooting their gun one-handed and sideways too? 

It takes a number of seconds to draw and shoot... Assuming you hit your target on your first shot and bring the individual down.  I was under the impression it was 15 feet, but if it's 21 that still doesn't leave you a lot of time if someone is coming at you with a weapon. 

I can't speak for the States, but most Canadian officers never even draw their sidearm over the course of their career, let alone fire off shots.  They don't get to shoot them for practice much beyond once or twice a year, unless they do so on their own time off-duty or are part of the ETF.  Based on that alone, this is pretty shocking that one single officer pumped possibly nine (we still don't know how many hit the intended target) bullets into the guy.

The issue at play here is whether the use of force was justified.  General public opinion has been that it's not, which is why he's now up on a 2nd degree murder charge.

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Big Fella wrote:

That is absolute bunkum Jay, and you know it.

I would be actually...  Considering I've seen other people from other countries posting about it on Facebook, I don't think I'm the only one. smile

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Feels like I've stumbled into a god awful episode of The Bill.

Creepy's Tosh Lyons, natch.

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Slabs wrote:

Canada is a weird place. I don't understand why they shot him, he isn't black?

Syrian immigrant, so close enough... Although it turns out he was Christian and not Muslim.

Toronto cops stop black people something like 9 times more often than white people so it's not just a US thing. wink

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smallman1 wrote:

Creepy's Tosh Lyons, natch.

I did have a little lollerdance to myself. Good man.

Loopdokter wrote:

Based on that alone, this is pretty shocking that one single officer pumped five bullets into the guy.
The issue at play here is whether the use of force was justified.  General public opinion has been that it's not, which is why he's now up on a 2nd degree murder charge.

Couldnt agree more, Loopy.

That video shows you that their septic style police training probably means that they must shoot on sight whenever a middle eastern man is causing a serious disturbance with a weapon. It might not be in the manuals snowstorm reads but behind closed doors, its not hard to imagine the kinds of orders theyre given in these situations.

Snowstorm wrote:

if the taser group is admitting 80 - 86 percent effectiveness, that is close to one of five where it doesnt work and i can post an equal number of videos and link articles on how tasers failed and the police were force to use a gun after. goes back to the orginal comment on assessment, distance and probability.

Ok, I get it ya fuckin boring broken record. They dont work 100% of the time. I wrote this a while back. Must be the vortex.

Starcreeper wrote:

Thanks Snowstorm, you managed to disprove my flippant use of 100%

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ahh yes, the patented back pedal: i said this, but when someone called me on it i said this again but minus these conditions.  when that didnt work, i was always just joking.

got it.

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snowstorm wrote:

ahh yes, the patented back pedal: i said this, but when someone called me on it i said this again but minus these conditions.  when that didnt work, i was always just joking.

got it.

To be honest snowstorm, I dont want to spend the energy engaging with you. You bore the fuck out of me. Always have, you offer me nothing but grey walls and Canada. Depressing shit really.

You called me on the 100% thing, I admitted I was wrong and now you want me to argue some more? Shaking your finger at me like a scorned little woman?

Fuck off.

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heavens dear vicky, i don't want you to argue more yet you still keep coming back.

trust me, the feeling is mutual, you can fuck off back to the massage parlour and no one will miss you either.

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smallman1 wrote:

Feels like I've stumbled into a god awful episode of The Bill.

Creepy's Tosh Lyons, natch.

Tosh Lines, mate.

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smallman1 wrote:

Feels like I've stumbled into a god awful episode of The Bill.

Creepy's Tosh Lyons, natch.

Who's Reg Hollis though?